LD Rankings

This is a ranking of Lincoln Douglas debate teams.

Recently, we have received a lot of feedback that our rankings system has been disproportionately weighting smaller tournaments and high win-loss ratios for debaters that haven’t competed much. We take feedback very seriously, and we have made a series of changes that we believe will make the rankings more accurate:

  • We are only including tournaments that have a semis, octos or quarters bid to the TOC.
  • We will include player-decay in our rankings. The rating of a debater that competes less often will slowly diminish.
  • For a debater to be included in the rankings, they must have competed at at least two tournaments in their career. This increases the likelihood that a debater’s rating is representative.
View information about the rankings.
The algorithm used for these rankings is the Glicko-2 ratings system, a variation of the Glicko system. The basics of the system are simple: each debater starts out with a rating of 1500. Your rating is based on the result of every round you debate, weighted by the rating of your opponent and (for elimination rounds) by the margin of victory. If you win a round, your rating increases; if you lose a round, your rating decreases. Defeating a high-ranked opponent provides a larger boost than beating a low-ranked opponent, and losing to a low-ranked opponent yields a larger drop than losing to a high-ranked opponent. Every round counts.

We switched from the Elo system to the Glicko-2 system for the 2016-2017 season. While the two systems are quite similar, Glicko-2 system weights the effect of each round based on the reliability of the ratings of each debater. This change will correct for problems that arise in Elo when some teams compete in rated tournaments more often than others. More details are available here.

Ratings do carry over from season to season for debaters as long as they continue to compete.

These rankings do not claim to be a definitive ranking of all debaters, and are, admittedly, simply a minor contribution to the speculation and conversation that exists among some “national circuit” debaters and coaches. While we try to stick to data instead of opinion in our rankings, we do understand that the nature of debate is subjective and sometimes random.. So, enjoy the idle discussion and potential entertainment that rankings can bring, but please do not put too much stock into their reflection of the accuracy into the quality or ability of any given debater.

If you think you see an error, please let us know at rankings@victorybriefs.com!


View the list of tournaments included from this season.
WDM Valley
Holy Cross
Heart of Texas
Capitol Beltway
Apple Valley
University of Texas
Isidore Newman
Dowling Catholic
Strake Jesuit
College Prep
University of Houston
Puget Sound
Golden Desert

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Rank Debater Rating Record
1 Jack Wareham (Oakwood Secondary) 2179.07 51-2
2 Oliver Sussman (Cambridge Rindge and Latin) 2095.03 60-5
3 Nina Potischman (Hunter College) 2041.64 42-6
4 Sekou Cisse (Success Academy) 2008.25 74-10
5 Alexander Zhao (La Canada) 2003.66 67-11
6 Evan Engel (Harvard-Westlake) 1985.51 79-12
7 Noah Simon (Crossroads) 1982.80 9-1
8 Raffi Piliero (Harrison) 1982.50 88-17
9 Zoe Ewing (Scarsdale) 1944.37 48-11
10 Ariel Azbel (Lake Highland Preparatory) 1920.29 64-15
11 Jonas Le Barillec (Peninsula) 1919.65 77-22
12 Grant Brown (Millard North) 1915.54 27-8
13 Lavanya Singh (Mission San Jose) 1909.63 32-7
14 Richard Cook (Strake Jesuit College) 1897.53 66-15
15 TJ Foley (WDM Valley) 1896.79 38-10
16 Trent Gilbert (WDM Valley) 1896.21 48-16
17 Gillian Zipursky (Scarsdale) 1885.69 49-14
18 Connor Engel (Harvard-Westlake) 1883.75 48-16
19 David Min (American Heritage Plantation) 1860.40 34-10
20 Shruthi Krishnan (Greenhill) 1851.88 54-13
21 Shankar Krishnan (Ridge) 1839.68 31-11
22 Brianna Aaron (Newark Science) 1837.80 55-19
23 Derek Zhang (Mountain View) 1835.27 39-11
24 Morgan Grosch (Cedar Park) 1826.11 42-14
25 Zack Gelles (Scarsdale) 1823.91 25-9
26 Kaushal Balagurusamy (Lexington) 1820.26 34-13
27 Harrison Wang (Lynbrook Debate) 1817.68 43-11
28 Xavier Roberts-Gaal (Walt Whitman) 1814.94 47-16
29 Lucas Clarke (Cypress Woods) 1805.68 58-16
30 Saavan Nanavati (Westwood) 1805.39 36-11
31 Matt Zinman (Harrison) 1799.16 47-18
32 Aram Moghaddassi (Syosset) 1798.95 27-9
33 Srivatsav Pyda (Harker) 1796.00 47-18
34 Chris Sun (Millburn) 1793.48 52-24
35 Jason Yang (Kinkaid) 1792.13 54-19
36 Muhammad Khattak (Lake Highland Preparatory) 1792.09 42-16
37 Priya Kukreja (Millard North) 1792.02 7-2
38 Jong Hak Won (West Ranch) 1788.18 58-18
39 Ryan Younger (Brentwood) 1786.07 43-17
40 Indu Pandey (Harvard-Westlake) 1782.55 40-15
41 Parker Whitfill (Phoenix Country Day) 1776.56 42-17
42 Katherine Fennell (Stuyvesant) 1776.45 56-25
43 Nelson Okunlola (Earl Warren) 1770.67 28-10
44 Ishan Bhatt (St. Andrew’s Episcopal) 1770.40 34-12
45 Prachit Bhike (Mission San Jose) 1767.91 18-8
46 Lauren Singer (Scarsdale) 1764.98 42-16
47 Nisarg Shah (Lynbrook Debate) 1764.52 41-17
48 Ashish Wadhwani (Dulles) 1763.27 43-17
49 Jordan Farenhem (Pembroke Pines Charter) 1760.42 25-9
50 Chaitanya Sayani (Dougherty Valley) 1756.29 51-19
51 Whitley Perryman (Montgomery) 1756.16 22-7
52 Camille Caldera (Walt Whitman) 1752.28 34-13
53 Varun Venkatesh (Lynbrook Debate) 1750.14 43-13
54 Conal Thomas-Mcginnis (WDM Valley) 1748.83 35-14
55 Nirmal Balachundhar (Lexington) 1742.99 36-19
56 Tess Welch (Cy-Fair) 1738.43 27-11
57 Logan Reid (North Crowley) 1734.01 28-10
58 Danielle Dosch (Immaculate Heart) 1731.95 58-23
59 Kyle Yuan (Collegiate) 1719.32 21-8
60 Jonah Wu (Syosset) 1717.99 22-9
61 Zoe Posner (Bronx Science) 1714.46 25-10
62 David Moon (Collegiate) 1709.77 60-26
63 Michael Gao (Law Magnet) 1707.40 39-20
64 Sebastian Williams (Gilmour Academy) 1705.44 21-11
65 Ishan Gaur (Peninsula) 1704.58 30-15
66 Chris Wang (Lynbrook) 1704.11 47-21
67 Jaya Nayar (Harvard-Westlake) 1701.28 45-22
68 Eric Wallach (Collegiate) 1701.01 24-8
69 Michael Landau (Scarsdale) 1700.46 44-22
70 Chakra Jonnalagadda (Cypress Woods) 1700.28 34-16
71 Frances Zhuang (Palo Alto (Independent)) 1700.25 59-25
72 Colin Fee (Palo Alto) 1690.86 59-28
73 Vikram Kalghatgi (Ridge) 1683.06 26-15
74 Matthew Chen (Strake Jesuit College P) 1682.90 42-21
75 Jack Briody (Byram Hills) 1682.57 40-19
76 Stephen Scopa (Pembroke Pines Charter) 1678.80 20-10
77 Whit Jackson (Brentwood) 1678.23 34-12
78 Siena Cabbage (WDM Valley) 1677.50 28-13
79 Reed Weiler (Lexington) 1674.40 29-16
80 Rithvik Seela (Lake Highland Prep) 1674.35 29-18
81 Joshua Herrera (Strake Jesuit CP) 1668.75 49-27
82 Spencer Paul (Harvard-Westlake) 1666.58 43-17
83 Alexander Sipetic (Stuyvesant) 1664.59 27-13
84 Matt Gofman (Hendrick Hudson) 1662.81 25-13
85 Macalah Thomas (Cedar Park) 1662.00 43-18
86 Lindsey Perlman (Byram Hills) 1659.87 31-18
87 Kevin Li (Stuyvesant) 1651.58 31-22
88 Andrew Garber (Cambridge Rindge and Latin) 1650.97 20-15
89 Evan Mckinney (WDM Valley) 1650.55 23-11
90 Arlo Weiner (Oakwood Secondary School) 1649.39 50-30
91 Emmiee Malyugina (Harker) 1649.21 47-23
92 Kenzo Okasaki (Rowland Hall St Marks) 1649.09 24-12
93 Sammi O’Reilly (Harrison) 1644.30 12-9
94 Alina Kulman (Hunter College) 1639.12 4-3
95 John Michael Magloire (Chaminade) 1638.20 14-9
96 Ashwin Bhat (Sunset) 1636.63 34-19
97 Javier Navarrete (Christopher Columbus) 1635.96 19-14
98 Benjamin Wolf (Winston Churchill) 1634.04 21-13
99 Jake Davidson (Harvard-Westlake) 1633.92 28-14
100 Ray Xu (Harker) 1625.80 6-1
101 John Boals (Apple Valley) 1625.54 23-17
102 Andee Song (Westford) 1623.56 4-3
103 Alexandra Mork (Harvard-Westlake) 1622.75 51-24
104 Adam Keller (Nueva) 1618.94 31-18
105 Ari Pappaharonis (Edmond North) 1615.35 5-2
106 Pacy Yan (Stuyvesant) 1615.22 44-27
107 Kumail Zaidi (Oak Hall) 1614.58 16-11
108 Jason Kraynak (Bellaire) 1611.36 13-7
109 Rohith Mandavalli (Westwood) 1609.25 24-15
110 Colin McKay (Gig Harbor) 1608.00 13-4
111 Rishabh Shah (Westwood) 1607.68 21-12
112 Marie-Rose Sheinerman (Hunter College) 1605.40 22-14
113 Aysha Hafiz (Newtown) 1604.91 30-20
114 Noah Garberg (Lexington) 1597.92 21-11
115 Charles Li (Strake Jesuit CP) 1597.43 39-23
116 Patrick Aimone (Servite) 1596.44 36-21
117 Lindsey McNamara (William T. Dwyer) 1595.68 17-11
118 Oluwatosin Agboola (Newark Science) 1595.46 28-20
119 Farzaan Kaiyom (Reagan) 1595.26 35-21
120 Brian Gu (West Des Moines Valley) 1588.87 13-8
121 David Calabuig (Pflugerville) 1588.66 4-2
122 Natalie Isak (Scarsdale) 1588.54 18-10
123 Andrew Gilmore (University School Ohio) 1588.32 4-3
124 Rachel Maciariello (Montgomery) 1588.06 10-8
125 Michael Kurian (Dulles) 1588.00 23-16
126 Tammuz Frankel (Hunter) 1587.20 15-7
127 Brian Siegel (Harrison) 1586.25 33-24
128 Jessica Zhang (Woodlands College Park) 1585.60 35-20
129 Sachin Shah (Lake Highland Preparato) 1585.21 24-15
130 Emily Readey (Raisbeck Aviation) 1584.72 8-5
131 Grace Kim (Marlborough) 1583.66 38-25
132 Douglas Wickham (Loyola) 1582.71 40-28
133 Ari Mostow (Oakwood Secondary) 1582.36 13-9
134 Max Kanner (Isidore Newman) 1580.15 21-16
135 Vishan Chaudhary (Harvard-Westlake) 1577.51 33-19
136 Julianne Sinclair (Ardrey Kell) 1577.25 6-6
137 Jae-Kyung Sim (Seven Lakes) 1576.12 7-5
138 Alex Bauman (Oakwood Secondary) 1575.29 16-10
139 Salma Bennis (Ft. Lauderdale) 1575.05 3-3
140 Jacob Lugo (Winston Churchill) 1574.77 19-14
141 Abby Grifno (Westwood) 1574.75 15-10
142 David Asafu-Adjaye (Newark Science) 1574.45 20-14
143 Amogh Dambal (Westwo) 1573.46 6-5
144 Shawn Dermer (Cypress Bay) 1572.87 20-12
145 Arjun Goyal (Byram Hills) 1572.59 24-15
146 Brennan Young (WinChu) 1572.44 10-6
147 Carl Spana (Harrison) 1565.35 30-23
148 Lauren Cole (Harrison) 1564.71 43-32
149 Julia Wu (Lake Highland Preparato) 1564.03 23-18
150 Wesley Carter (Logan) 1562.87 9-4
151 Amy Pu (Randolph) 1561.96 33-22
152 Aaron Singh (Strake Jesuit CP) 1561.79 15-11
153 Katya Ehresman (Lake Travis) 1561.03 19-13
154 Arnold Jia (Millburn) 1558.05 26-21
155 Barry He (Palo Alto (Independent)) 1557.33 43-25
156 Vishal Tandale (Thomas Jefferson HSST) 1556.71 8-6
157 Gabriel Manak (Bronx Science) 1556.43 18-9
158 Faraaz Haque (Kempner) 1556.22 14-7
159 Henry Smith (Evanston) 1554.98 15-11
160 Kirk Wu (San Marino) 1554.58 18-12
161 Tiffany Chang (Phillips Academy Andover) 1554.54 15-12
162 Abhilash Datti (American Heritage Boca Delray) 1554.38 15-11
163 William Coltzer (Winston Churchill) 1553.72 23-15
164 Nicholas Newton-Cheh (Lexington) 1553.66 18-14
165 Tiffany Chen (Hunter) 1553.59 6-6
166 Emma Blum (Brentwood) 1552.18 40-23
167 Jerome Nashed (Lake Highland Preparatory) 1551.98 24-17
168 Danny Frank-Siegel (Evanston) 1550.84 16-11
169 Adejoke Mason (North Atlanta) 1550.72 11-9
170 Brian Gu (WDM Valley) 1548.71 5-2
171 Nikhil Ajjarapu (Lynbrook) 1548.40 35-21
172 Manasi Singh (West Des Moines Valley) 1543.11 18-13
173 Thomas Leavitt (Kempner) 1542.53 6-5
174 Edward Rastgoo (Meadows) 1542.42 30-18
175 Darren Kim (Loyola) 1541.68 19-12
176 Maya Arora (Cape Fear) 1540.44 13-13
177 Jonathan Liu (Polytechnic) 1539.86 32-22
178 Eric Deng (San Marino) 1536.07 20-13
179 Roshan Sadhwani (Holy Cross) 1535.44 20-17
180 Nate Galang (Klein) 1535.38 14-10
181 Gabe Rivera (Clear Brook) 1534.64 2-3
182 Aman Patel (Southlake Carroll) 1534.20 19-17
183 Manan Shah (Harker) 1533.04 4-3
184 Lily Goldsmith (Marlborough) 1531.79 4-3
185 Ved Roy (Lexington) 1530.68 11-9
186 Eli Lapkin (Harrison) 1530.41 23-20
187 Anya Poplavska (Lynbrook) 1528.15 29-18
188 Kyle Kopf (WDM Valley) 1526.82 21-18
189 Aman Gulrajani (Tompkins) 1525.07 7-6
190 Niko Battle (Kamiak) 1522.93 9-6
191 Varun Paranjpe (Mountain View) 1522.62 34-22
192 Michael Tao (West) 1522.07 8-4
193 Alan George (Klein Oak) 1520.95 19-18
194 Daniel Harris (Walt Whitman) 1519.98 15-11
195 Vasanth Venkatasami (Lexington) 1519.79 24-21
196 Sam Segal (Kinkaid) 1519.56 22-18
197 Steven Goldware (Lake Highland) 1519.51 15-12
198 Mina Lee (Edgemont) 1519.10 27-24
199 Jugal Amodwala (Westwood) 1518.23 15-13
200 Brian Zhou (Greenhill) 1516.47 24-20
201 Gabriel Hull (Evanston) 1516.25 14-12
202 Ron Packin (Byram Hills) 1515.33 20-14
203 Jackson Deconcini (Brentwood) 1515.27 40-23
204 Alexander Davis (Westlake) 1515.08 3-3
205 Jake Kunzler (Skyview) 1513.67 9-6
206 Naman Baraya (Thomas Jefferson HSST) 1513.64 7-6
207 Luis Arbelaez (Loyola) 1513.61 20-16
208 Jason Chan (Arcadia) 1512.76 6-6
209 William Park (Harvard-Westlake) 1510.88 12-8
210 Haritha Kumar (Cupertino) 1509.19 18-15
211 Leanna Faimon (Syosset) 1508.78 8-5
212 Margaret Purcell (Northland Christian) 1507.10 22-17
213 Amy Santos (Presentation) 1506.38 19-15
214 Toran Langford (Holy Cross) 1504.88 23-21
215 Nisha Rajasekar (Westwood) 1502.24 3-2
216 Claudia Ribera (Katy Taylor) 1501.62 26-23
217 Jasun Chen (University HS Irvine) 1501.61
218 Favian Sun (Dulles) 1501.42 6-5
219 Noah Gallagher (Lakeville North) 1501.11 9-10
220 Mia Coates (Marlborough) 1500.18 23-20
  • Anonymous

    Are you guys going to incorporate TOC? Because I think it would be best if you did at some point.

  • MB

    Hello. I just wanted to point out that Kumail Zaidi’s wins from Harvard were not entered, only his losses. Please check to ensure that his wins from the Harvard tournament are appropriately entered.


    Are Blue Key and Sunvite going to be included? Both used Speechwire, but they probably still deserve to be included in the rankings as there were quite a lot of good debaters at both.

  • Sotoni

    y r rankings only until 187, instead of 250?

    • MB

      It only shows people who have a score of at least 1500.

  • guest

    lowkey confused as to why Rachana Jadala is ranked considering she graduated several years ago..?

  • jessica boone

    Are the results from the Ridge Debates going to calculated into this list?

  • hbv

    when’s UT posting?

  • aiosd

    these ratings are ridiculous. i’m sorry, but they’ve lost all credibility for me.

  • Semper Idem II

    This year, results for Florida Blue Key were recorded on Speechwire rather than Tabroom or Joy of Tournaments. With that in mind, Speechwire should probably be added to the tournament suggestion page. Also, here is a result Speechwire missed: David Min (American Heritage) beat Stephen Scopa (Pembroke Pines) on a 2-1 decision in finals.

  • wonderingstuff

    When will marks be included?

  • Ron p

    Ron’s name is actually spelled Ron Packin

  • s

    arlo weiner and alex bauman are ranked twice

  • The Tsar

    If you’re having trouble inputting Yale because of Tabroom’s failure to post the final round results, Oliver Sussman (Cambridge Rindge and Latin) defeated Sekou Cisse (Success Academy) on a 3-0.

  • Bob

    Why haven’t the 2016-2017 season results carried over?

    • Zach Kirsch

      They have. We only display this year’s record, but the ratings (and thus the rankings) have carried over.

      • Bob

        I don’t see people like Oliver Sussman on the rankings even though he debated last year.

        • As explained above, debaters do not appear until a tournament they have debated at this season is added to the rankings. The ratings from last year do carry over, but no one is displayed until they debate this year. This is to ensure that debaters who have graduated/quit are not displayed.

  • Justice

    Where is Raffi?

    • I believe debaters only appear in the rankings once they have competed at a tournament this season. Greenhill has not yet been added to the system.

    • Zach Kirsch

      Yeah, as Chris said, Raffi was in the rankings until he competed this year. Now that Greenhill is in the rankings Raffi is on the list.

  • aisjfioj

    out of curiosity do you know when the new ratings will be up? for example will it be up by voices etc

  • anon

    what’s happening with 2016-2017 rankings?

  • 7off

    Ari Mostow is ranked twice

  • RankingsPlease

    Hey can you all upload Columbia to the rankings please? Thank you.

  • Nelson Ok

    Will you guys be adding TFA state or churchill?

  • Whit Jack

    damus + usc?

  • So Blade

    Okay cool you added Berkeley and Harvard. Any possible ideas on UNLV? It’s a semis bid and it was over a month ago

    • Andrew Perez

      Nobody cares. This is stupid, and no, you will not be ranked higher than 100.

      • So Blade

        Oh thanks buddy, really appreciate that

  • txexes

    Will you be including Churchill Results in the data?

  • angrycalikid

    it’s been a month and Berk still isn’t in? and Harv


    remove isaac swedlow he is bad

  • The Archduke

    Jack Wareham, Jacob Ronkin, and Karan Choudhary are all listed twice under slightly different school names. I can assure you that there is only one of each of those who is prominent in Lincoln-Douglas debate.

  • JustAsking

    Will finals bid tournaments every apply?

  • debat

    Harvard ?? berkeley ??

  • Debater2

    Harvard and Berkeley?

  • Curiositykilledthecat

    When will Harvard be added?

  • eyyy

    Is there any way to include finals bid tourneys?

  • debater

    where’s UPS?

  • Little Frydman

    Alejandro Frydman (University School FL) graduated last year

  • Guest123

    University JR and NSU University JR are the same person. I think this happened to everyone associated with University School as well who debated at Lex (KC, GF, and ZL)

    • Guest123

      The same thing happened to Valley debaters. Trent Gilbert and TJ Foley are rated twice, and I assume the same happened to Dani Reyes and the other debaters from Valley at Lex. They are in as both WDM Valley and West Des Moines Valley

      • Guest123

        This happened again. Jacob Ronkin and Karan Choudhary and ranked twice. I don’t know if the same thing happened to the Valley kids because neither of them are ranked twice, but they might have been too

        • Debater123

          Also Jack Warhead is rated twice

  • DB8Er

    Lexington isn’t included in the posted LD Rankings despite stating it is in the tournament listings.

    • Debater2


  • question

    aren’t cps results on tabroom?

  • Anonymous

    When are the rest of the semis bids going to be posted? I see that only grapevine is right now

  • Anonymous

    When’s the next round of rankings coming out?

  • RamPradad2.0

    When will these be updated? I know it takes time, but this only contains like 6 tournaments and college apps are due and people would want to put their ranking on those.

  • joe

    Can we get an actual lder to input these rankings? I’m sure there are a lot of people who would be down. The pf ones always seem to be updated faster and its taking a really long time,especially for kids who want to use this for college apps,expanding past 50 could be really helpful.



  • kinkaid??

    hows jason yang on the list

    • Stop Hating

      Because he is good

  • bob

    Think you forgot Felix

  • Hunter Martin

    Why Isn’t Mikey Speiser Rank #1?

    • lololol, good one

      because mikey speiser is literally a dung wad

  • questions

    Do these rankings include last years results? And will it be expanded beyond 50 in the future

    • These rankings do include last years results. In most contexts t is common practice for ELO rankings to carry over between seasons. ELO is more accurate as more rounds are included.

  • Curious

    will new ranking be out for this year soon?

    • jnebel

      Yes they will!

      • just wondering

        Any guess for exactly what time?

      • boi


        • boi


        • much 3 u


        • kk boo

          too too

  • Anon1

    When do the 2015-16 Rankings going to come out, I’m excited to see my boy Jonas Le Barillec on there

  • Question

    Hey, someone already asked this, but do the rankings restart every year? Like if I had losing records last year, will they hold back my ranking this year? Thanks!

  • anonymous

    will the rankings restart for the new season or continue off of last year?

  • tadam omasi (not actually him)

    Sounds like a really bad idea to include locals in the rankings. The judging usually sucks. If we’re trying to compile rankings for real debate-flow debate-It makes no sense to include locals. It would probably be better to just include bid tournaments, from octos to finals.
    Unrelated question: Will a double-octos bid tournament ever exist?

    • Guest

      “Real Debate” and “Flow Debate” are not necessarily synonymous. Local, non-technical debate rounds certainly have merit. “The judging usually sucks” is such a huge generalization, have you even attended a decently run local?

  • Just Wondering

    Are the semis/finals bid tournament results going to be uploaded?

    • Zach Kirsch

      Yep! The rankings will be updated with all semis-bid tournaments in the next few days.

  • Confused

    Do these rankings take the NDCA tournament into account? If they don’t will they soon?

    • Zach Kirsch

      No they don’t, but yes they will soon!

  • smaller bids

    when will sems and finals bids be added?

  • permthedisad

    Emily Hu and Xinlan Hu are the same person. lul.

  • Master_Yoda


  • anonymous

    how are ram prasad, annie kors, and srikar pyda on this list?

    • Zach Kirsch

      Sorry, we inputted Stanford 2014’s results by accident. Everything’s fixed and updated now!

  • Graduated Maybe

    Sam Azbel, Dana Councilman, Claire Kueffner, Charlotte Lawrence, Travis Chen, Yael Caplan, Leah Shapiro, Salim Damerdji, Chris Kymn, and Ram Prasad are all ‘ranked’ despite being graduated?

    • Zach Kirsch

      Sorry, we inputted Stanford 2014’s results by accident. Everything’s fixed and updated now!

  • YODA

    congrats on being ranked Sam Azbel!!!

  • MR.Dipplestick

    Whats the third number in the records

    • Certain round robins have two judge panels. The third number indicates a tie (split) two judge panel.

  • Rank Lex

    Since Emory is already calculated in when will Lex be?

  • rankings

    Sujay Singh is ranked twice

    • rank

      Hes a very talented debater

  • why no newark results mang

    are you not not including the results for the newark invitational?

    • Chris Theis

      As explained above the current rankings only include Octos and Quarters bids. It is time consuming to enter tournaments so we have been working from the largest tournaments down. Newark will be included soon 🙂

  • Elo Ranking Questions

    When do you plan in expanding to all TOC bid tournaments?
    And eventually those local tournaments?
    And when the expansion does occur will it only be from expansion –> future or include past tournaments?
    Also will it re-start next year?

    Sorry for all the questions! This is a REALLY cool thing you all are doing! Thanks for the impact on the community!

    • jnebel

      1. As soon as we can, but unfortunately I can’t give you an ETA.
      2. After round robins.
      3. We will include past tournaments, at least from the present season.
      4. We do plan on continuing it next year.

      It is possible that extracting the massive amount of data (e.g., from locals) ends up taking too much time. We have considered a self-reporting system in which debaters just enter all the information from each round into a form, which you (at least sometimes) would have an incentive to do to boost your rating, perhaps with a strict policy against lying (e.g., banning people after some number of warnings) and a system for cutting out duplicates. But not sure about this: it would, for example, mean that people who never report their own wins but get their losses reported by others (e.g., because they don’t know or care about the rankings, which is totally fair) would be severely underrated. What do you think?

      • Elo Ranking Questions

        Thank you, sounds good. Sorry for the late reply I didn’t realize I wouldn’t get a notification.

        Yeah, I was very confused how you will be able to analyze all the local tournaments.I think a properly structured self-reporting system could work, especially if people are motivated to be ranked it could add to be beneficial to them.

  • jnebel

    We are still missing Crestian round 5. So if you won that round and know where to find the results, please let us know!

  • Rankings

    Voices is a quarters bid but isnt listed. Was it included in the calculations?

    • Chris Theis


  • William Park

    shout out to my boy Dario Madyoon for being ranked

  • Josh Roberts

    The records listed are overall (prelims + elims)? or just prelims? If overall, I assume a W in elims, regardless of if it’s a 2-1 or 3-0 just counts as 1 win, correct?

    • jnebel

      Right, they include both prelims and elims, and winning an elim round counts as 1 W regardless of ballot count. The ballot count enters into the rating formula in basically the same way that the goal difference index is used in the World Football Elo Ratings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Football_Elo_Ratings).

      And of course these records are not people’s actual total records but only reflect the rounds in our current data set.

      • PSmith

        Is it possible to post which tournaments have been included in the rankings listed above? That would be very helpful.

        • jnebel

          All of the ones listed here: http://vbriefly.com/side-bias/. (For Valley, only prelims are included right now, but that will be fixed shortly.)

        • PSmith

          Thanks. Have you considered posting a link to the calculations by round and team as they do for similar ratings for public forum and policy?

        • jnebel

          We can do that next time. Thanks for the feedback!

        • jnebel

          (Still working on this, despite the update.)