LD Rankings

This is a ranking of Lincoln Douglas debate teams.

Recently, we have received a lot of feedback that our rankings system has been disproportionately weighting smaller tournaments and high win-loss ratios for debaters that haven’t competed much. We take feedback very seriously, and we have made a series of changes that we believe will make the rankings more accurate:

  • We are only including tournaments that have a semis, octos or quarters bid to the TOC.
  • We will include player-decay in our rankings. The rating of a debater that competes less often will slowly diminish.
  • For a debater to be included in the rankings, they must have competed at at least two tournaments in their career. This increases the likelihood that a debater’s rating is representative.
View information about the rankings.
The algorithm used for these rankings is the Glicko-2 ratings system, a variation of the Glicko system. The basics of the system are simple: each debater starts out with a rating of 1500. Your rating is based on the result of every round you debate, weighted by the rating of your opponent and (for elimination rounds) by the margin of victory. If you win a round, your rating increases; if you lose a round, your rating decreases. Defeating a high-ranked opponent provides a larger boost than beating a low-ranked opponent, and losing to a low-ranked opponent yields a larger drop than losing to a high-ranked opponent. Every round counts.

We switched from the Elo system to the Glicko-2 system for the 2016-2017 season. While the two systems are quite similar, Glicko-2 system weights the effect of each round based on the reliability of the ratings of each debater. This change will correct for problems that arise in Elo when some teams compete in rated tournaments more often than others. More details are available here.

Ratings do carry over from season to season for debaters as long as they continue to compete.

These rankings do not claim to be a definitive ranking of all debaters, and are, admittedly, simply a minor contribution to the speculation and conversation that exists among some “national circuit” debaters and coaches. While we try to stick to data instead of opinion in our rankings, we do understand that the nature of debate is subjective and sometimes random.. So, enjoy the idle discussion and potential entertainment that rankings can bring, but please do not put too much stock into their reflection of the accuracy into the quality or ability of any given debater.

If you think you see an error, please let us know at rankings@victorybriefs.com!

 

View the list of tournaments included from this season.
Loyola
Grapevine
Greenhill
Yale
WDM Valley
Holy Cross
Voices
Bronx
Heart of Texas
Capitol Beltway
Meadows
Apple Valley
Scarsdale
Glenbrooks
Alta
Princeton
University of Texas
Isidore Newman
Dowling Catholic
Blake
Strake Jesuit
College Prep
Newark
University of Houston
Puget Sound
Harvard-Westlake

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Rank Debater Rating Record
1 Jack Wareham (Oakwood Secondary) 2137.46 40-2
2 Oliver Sussman (Cambridge Rindge and Latin) 2077.85 50-4
3 Alexander Zhao (La Canada) 2022.23 44-7
4 Raffi Piliero (Harrison) 1997.58 73-12
5 Noah Simon (Crossroads) 1983.47 9-1
6 Evan Engel (Harvard-Westlake) 1968.22 53-7
7 Nina Potischman (Hunter College) 1953.23 31-6
8 Zoe Ewing (Scarsdale) 1939.82 48-11
9 Sekou Cisse (Success Academy) 1933.25 55-8
10 Richard Cook (Strake Jesuit College) 1920.79 59-12
11 Ariel Azbel (Lake Highland Preparatory) 1914.90 51-12
12 Lavanya Singh (Mission San Jose) 1913.34 25-6
13 Grant Brown (Millard North) 1910.01 27-8
14 Shruthi Krishnan (Greenhill) 1903.16 50-10
15 Tj Foley (WDM Valley) 1892.39 38-10
16 Jonas Le Barillec (Peninsula) 1891.67 54-16
17 Trent Gilbert (WDM Valley) 1885.56 43-14
18 Srivatsav Pyda (Harker) 1864.72 39-13
19 David Min (American Heritage Plantation) 1858.89 26-8
20 Muhammad Khattak (Lake Highland Preparatory) 1856.86 32-11
21 Morgan Grosch (Cedar Park) 1833.55 42-14
22 Shankar Krishnan (Ridge) 1822.80 25-9
23 Jason Yang (Kinkaid) 1819.89 44-14
24 Gillian Zipursky (Scarsdale) 1816.00 41-13
25 Zack Gelles (Scarsdale) 1814.35 25-9
26 Connor Engel (Harvard-Westlake) 1806.42 31-13
27 Saavan Nanavati (Westwood) 1804.47 29-8
28 Ryan Younger (Brentwood) 1803.68 38-14
29 Xavier Roberts-Gaal (Walt Whitman) 1800.01 41-13
30 Lucas Clarke (Cypress Woods) 1799.78 46-12
31 Kaushal Balagurusamy (Lexington) 1797.88 28-11
32 Ashish Wadhwani (Dulles) 1795.21 40-14
33 Aram Moghaddassi (Syosset) 1791.07 27-9
34 Matt Zinman (Harrison) 1789.52 36-14
35 Derek Zhang (Mountain View) 1787.80 31-9
36 Priya Kukreja (Millard North) 1781.38 7-2
37 Indu Pandey (Harvard-Westlake) 1780.59 28-10
38 Nelson Okunlola (Earl Warren) 1774.26 28-10
39 Danielle Dosch (Immaculate Heart) 1770.49 47-17
40 Harrison Wang (Lynbrook Debate) 1768.86 30-8
41 Briana Aaron (Newark Science) 1768.78 40-16
42 Parker Whitfill (Phoenix Country Day) 1760.90 31-13
43 Varun Venkatesh (Lynbrook Debate) 1760.47 31-9
44 Whitley Perryman (Montgomery) 1760.23 22-7
45 Chris Sun (Millburn) 1755.72 41-19
46 Katherine Fennel (Stuyvesant) 1750.50 43-21
47 Nisarg Shah (Lynbrook Debate) 1745.40 29-12
48 Logan Reid (North Crowley) 1738.77 23-8
49 Conal Thomas-Mcginnis (WDM Valley) 1738.10 35-14
50 Prachit Bhike (Mission San Jose) 1737.07 5-3
51 Tess Welch (Cy-Fair) 1730.28 27-11
52 Lauren Singer (Scarsdale) 1717.95 31-13
53 Jonah Wu (Syosset) 1713.82 22-9
54 Zoe Posner (Bronx Science) 1712.78 25-10
55 David Moon (Collegiate) 1710.65 50-21
56 Rithvik Seela (Lake Highland Prep) 1709.25 21-13
57 Kyle Yuan (Collegiate) 1708.12 12-5
58 Jordan Farenhem (Pembroke Pines Charter) 1706.13 13-5
59 Eric Wallach (Collegiate) 1704.11 19-6
60 Michael Landau (Scarsdale) 1701.97 40-20
61 John Michael Magloire (Chaminade) 1699.77 11-6
62 Ishan Gaur (Peninsula) 1696.20 30-15
63 Sebastian Williams (Gilmour Academy) 1692.26 21-11
64 Jack Briody (Byram Hills) 1690.77 35-16
65 Chaitanya Sayani (Dougherty Valley) 1690.29 28-13
66 Ishan Bhatt (St. Andrew’s Episcopal) 1686.68 23-8
67 Camille Caldera (Walt Whitman) 1682.81 27-12
68 Vikram Kalghatgi (Ridge) 1679.41 21-12
69 Siena Cabbage (WDM Valley) 1677.84 28-13
70 Macalah Thomas (Cedar Park) 1671.93 43-18
71 Matt Gofman (Hendrick Hudson) 1665.80 25-13
72 Michael Gao (Law Magnet) 1665.02 24-13
73 Matthew Chen (Strake Jesuit College P) 1664.21 42-21
74 Chakra Jonnalagadda (Cypress Woods) 1662.34 29-14
75 Jong Hak Won (West Ranch) 1662.32 34-12
76 Lindsey Perlman (Byram Hills) 1662.23 27-16
77 Charles Li (Strake Jesuit CP) 1661.02 33-17
78 Jae-Kyung Sim (Seven Lakes) 1659.53 4-2
79 Nirmal Balachundhar (Lexington) 1658.83 23-15
80 Vishal Tandale (Thomas Jefferson HSST) 1658.39 6-2
81 Benjamin Wolf (Winston Churchill) 1657.60 18-10
82 Spencer Paul (Harvard-Westlake) 1655.24 32-13
83 Joshua Herrera (Strake Jesuit CP) 1654.55 41-22
84 Alexander Sipetic (Stuyvesant) 1653.20 27-13
85 Stephen Scopa (Pembroke Pines Charter) 1649.60 10-6
86 Rishabh Shah (Westwood) 1648.59 17-9
87 Alexandra Mork (Harvard-Westlake) 1647.68 35-18
88 Evan Mckinney (WDM Valley) 1644.58 23-11
89 Rohith Mandavalli (Westwood) 1643.62 20-12
90 Sammi O’Reilly (Harrison) 1642.28 12-9
91 Alina Kulman (Hunter College) 1636.96 4-3
92 Jaya Nayar (Harvard-Westlake) 1636.05 27-17
93 Arlo Weiner (Oakwood Secondary School) 1633.53 36-22
94 Jake Davidson (Harvard-Westlake) 1632.89 20-10
95 Brennan Young (WinChu) 1632.50 7-3
96 Andee Song (Westford) 1631.75 4-3
97 Ray Xu (Harker) 1629.12 6-1
98 Whit Jackson (Brentwood) 1619.45 20-9
99 Frances Zhuang (Palo Alto (Independent)) 1619.19 39-19
100 Aysha Hafiz (Newtown) 1618.96 26-17
101 Barry He (Palo Alto (Independent)) 1612.47 36-19
102 Jason Kraynak (Bellaire) 1610.84 13-7
103 Kevin Li (Stuyvesant) 1609.45 23-18
104 Pacy Yan (Stuyvesant) 1607.64 36-22
105 Ari Pappaharonis (Edmond North) 1605.03 5-2
106 Marie-Rose Sheinerman (Hunter College) 1602.56 18-11
107 Michael Kurian (Dulles) 1602.56 19-13
108 Kenzo Okasaki (Rowland Hall St Marks) 1600.39 13-8
109 Emmiee Malyugina (Harker) 1599.41 34-18
110 Nate Galang (Klein) 1598.10 11-7
111 Jessica Zhang (Woodlands College Park) 1596.93 27-14
112 Javier Navarrete (Christopher Columbus) 1594.94 11-8
113 Adam Keller (Nueva) 1592.30 17-11
114 John Boals (Apple Valley) 1591.93 19-14
115 Natalie Isak (Scarsdale) 1591.91 18-10
116 Brian Gu (West Des Moines Valley) 1588.58 13-8
117 Noah Garberg (Lexington) 1586.14 21-11
118 Lauren Cole (Harrison) 1586.04 40-29
119 Tammuz Frankel (Hunter) 1585.49 11-5
120 Amogh Dambal (Westwo) 1584.61 6-5
121 Kyle Lleras (Marcus) 1583.52 6-5
122 David Calabuig (Pflugerville) 1583.37 4-2
123 Ari Mostow (Oakwood Secondary) 1582.27 13-9
124 Carl Spana (Harrison) 1581.48 27-20
125 Rachel Maciariello (Montgomery) 1579.61 10-8
126 Julia Wu (Lake Highland Preparato) 1578.35 20-15
127 Vishan Chaudhary (Harvard-Westlake) 1575.93 23-14
128 Sachin Shah (Lake Highland Preparato) 1573.75 16-11
129 Reed Weiler (Lexington) 1572.11 18-12
130 Varun Paranjpe (Mountain View) 1571.63 27-16
131 Nikhil Ajjarapu (Lynbrook) 1570.49 23-12
132 Aman Gulrajani (Tompkins) 1570.02 4-3
133 Abby Grifno (Westwood) 1569.85 15-10
134 Alex Bauman (Oakwood Secondary) 1566.23 16-10
135 Grace Kim (Marlborough) 1562.75 32-23
136 Andrew Gilmore (University School Ohio) 1561.88 4-3
137 Shawn Dermer (Cypress Bay) 1561.75 14-7
138 Faraaz Haque (Kempner) 1561.44 14-7
139 Kirk Wu (San Marino) 1560.07 18-12
140 Adejoke Mason (North Atlanta) 1558.72 11-9
141 Jasun Chen (University HS Irvine) 1558.33
142 Ashwin Bhat (Sunset) 1555.98 21-14
143 Aaron Singh (Strake Jesuit CP) 1555.64 15-11
144 Amanda Chen (Westlake) 1553.70 5-2
145 Gabriel Manak (Bronx Science) 1551.58 14-7
146 Danny Frank-Siegel (Evanston) 1549.01 16-11
147 Amy Pu (Randolph) 1546.94 29-19
148 Brian Gu (WDM Valley) 1546.41 5-2
149 Oluwatosin Agboola (Newark Science) 1545.98 24-18
150 Nicholas Newton-Cheh (Lexington) 1545.96 14-12
151 Arjun Goyal (Byram Hills) 1545.23 17-10
152 Manasi Singh (West Des Moines Valley) 1544.86 18-13
153 David Asafu-Adjaye (Newark Science) 1543.37 16-12
154 Darren Kim (Loyola) 1542.95 19-12
155 Abhilash Datti (American Heritage Boca Delray) 1542.58 8-6
156 Rishabh Krishnan (Thomas Jefferson HSST) 1541.32 6-6
157 Nisha Rajasekar (Westwood) 1538.35 3-2
158 Ron Packin (Byram Hills) 1538.15 17-11
159 Henry Smith (Evanston) 1537.79 11-8
160 Manan Shah (Harker) 1536.91 4-3
161 Colin Fee (Palo Alto) 1536.74 34-21
162 Thomas Leavitt (Kempner) 1536.11 6-5
163 Emma Blum (Brentwood) 1534.90 30-18
164 Gabe Rivera (Clear Brook) 1532.27 2-3
165 Roshan Sadhwani (Holy Cross) 1532.14 17-15
166 Gabriel Hull (Evanston) 1529.83 10-9
167 Matthew Gross (Harvard-Westlake) 1529.54 18-13
168 Jugal Amodwala (Westwood) 1528.91 11-10
169 Jason Chan (Arcadia) 1528.78 6-6
170 Jacob Lugo (Winston Churchill) 1526.16 14-11
171 Kyle Kopf (WDM Valley) 1524.95 18-15
172 Lindsey McNamara (William T. Dwyer) 1524.60 8-6
173 Brian Siegel (Harrison) 1523.91 27-22
174 Elizabeth Zhang (Princeton) 1522.85 7-6
175 Margaret Purcell (Northland Christian) 1522.60 22-17
176 Jonathan Liu (Polytechnic) 1522.50 20-13
177 Lily Goldsmith (Marlborough) 1521.36 4-3
178 Daniel Harris (Walt Whitman) 1519.05 11-9
179 Andrew Garber (Cambridge Rindge and Latin) 1518.05 14-13
180 Colin McKay (Gig Harbor) 1517.40 7-2
181 Logan Bauman (Oakwood Secondary School) 1516.75 22-17
182 Sam Segal (Kinkaid) 1514.97 18-15
183 Douglas Wickham (Loyola) 1514.96 24-20
184 Michael Tao (West) 1514.71 4-2
185 Arnold Jia (Millburn) 1514.05 22-19
186 William Coltzer (Winston Churchill) 1513.95 18-13
187 Alan George (Klein Oak) 1513.58 15-15
188 Serena Lu (Harker) 1512.63 22-18
189 Patrick Aimone (Servite) 1511.96 19-14
190 Jackson Deconcini (Brentwood) 1511.82 31-18
191 William Park (Harvard-Westlake) 1511.62 12-8
192 Edward Rastgoo (Meadows) 1511.40 22-13
193 Noah Gallagher (Lakeville North) 1511.36 9-10
194 Eli Lapkin (Harrison) 1510.24 19-18
195 Pooja Tallapaneni (Dougherty Valley) 1507.78 9-9
196 Emma Herring (Prosper) 1506.95 9-9
197 Eve Levenson (Brentwood) 1506.82 32-28
198 Kenneth Nelson (West) 1506.54 11-9
199 Farzaan Kaiyom (Reagan) 1505.85 23-17
200 Rachitha Jadala (Stony Point) 1505.40 4-2
201 Toran Langford (Holy Cross) 1504.69 20-18
202 Tiffany Chang (Phillips Academy Andover) 1504.59 11-9
203 Jerome Nashed (Lake Highland Preparatory) 1503.23 14-12
204 Anya Poplavska (Lynbrook) 1503.01 20-14
205 Alexander Davis (Westlake) 1501.48 3-3
206 Felix Cui (Lincoln East) 1500.55 3-3
207 Cassidy Condray (Edmond North) 1500.15 7-6
  • UPDATE RANKINGS

    Are Blue Key and Sunvite going to be included? Both used Speechwire, but they probably still deserve to be included in the rankings as there were quite a lot of good debaters at both.

  • Sotoni

    y r rankings only until 187, instead of 250?

  • guest

    lowkey confused as to why Rachana Jadala is ranked considering she graduated several years ago..?

  • jessica boone

    Are the results from the Ridge Debates going to calculated into this list?

  • hbv

    when’s UT posting?

  • aiosd

    these ratings are ridiculous. i’m sorry, but they’ve lost all credibility for me.

  • Semper Idem II

    This year, results for Florida Blue Key were recorded on Speechwire rather than Tabroom or Joy of Tournaments. With that in mind, Speechwire should probably be added to the tournament suggestion page. Also, here is a result Speechwire missed: David Min (American Heritage) beat Stephen Scopa (Pembroke Pines) on a 2-1 decision in finals.

  • wonderingstuff

    When will marks be included?

  • Ron p

    Ron’s name is actually spelled Ron Packin

  • s

    arlo weiner and alex bauman are ranked twice

  • The Tsar

    If you’re having trouble inputting Yale because of Tabroom’s failure to post the final round results, Oliver Sussman (Cambridge Rindge and Latin) defeated Sekou Cisse (Success Academy) on a 3-0.

  • Bob

    Why haven’t the 2016-2017 season results carried over?

    • Zach Kirsch

      They have. We only display this year’s record, but the ratings (and thus the rankings) have carried over.

      • Bob

        I don’t see people like Oliver Sussman on the rankings even though he debated last year.

        • As explained above, debaters do not appear until a tournament they have debated at this season is added to the rankings. The ratings from last year do carry over, but no one is displayed until they debate this year. This is to ensure that debaters who have graduated/quit are not displayed.

  • Justice

    Where is Raffi?

    • I believe debaters only appear in the rankings once they have competed at a tournament this season. Greenhill has not yet been added to the system.

    • Zach Kirsch

      Yeah, as Chris said, Raffi was in the rankings until he competed this year. Now that Greenhill is in the rankings Raffi is on the list.

  • aisjfioj

    out of curiosity do you know when the new ratings will be up? for example will it be up by voices etc

  • anon

    what’s happening with 2016-2017 rankings?

  • 7off

    Ari Mostow is ranked twice

  • RankingsPlease

    Hey can you all upload Columbia to the rankings please? Thank you.

  • Nelson Ok

    Will you guys be adding TFA state or churchill?

  • Whit Jack

    damus + usc?

  • So Blade

    Okay cool you added Berkeley and Harvard. Any possible ideas on UNLV? It’s a semis bid and it was over a month ago

    • Andrew Perez

      Nobody cares. This is stupid, and no, you will not be ranked higher than 100.

      • So Blade

        Oh thanks buddy, really appreciate that

  • txexes

    Will you be including Churchill Results in the data?

  • angrycalikid

    it’s been a month and Berk still isn’t in? and Harv

  • WR0NGNESS K

    remove isaac swedlow he is bad

  • The Archduke

    Jack Wareham, Jacob Ronkin, and Karan Choudhary are all listed twice under slightly different school names. I can assure you that there is only one of each of those who is prominent in Lincoln-Douglas debate.

  • JustAsking

    Will finals bid tournaments every apply?

  • debat

    Harvard ?? berkeley ??

  • Debater2

    Harvard and Berkeley?

  • Curiositykilledthecat

    When will Harvard be added?

  • eyyy

    Is there any way to include finals bid tourneys?

  • debater

    where’s UPS?

  • Little Frydman

    Alejandro Frydman (University School FL) graduated last year

  • Guest123

    University JR and NSU University JR are the same person. I think this happened to everyone associated with University School as well who debated at Lex (KC, GF, and ZL)

    • Guest123

      The same thing happened to Valley debaters. Trent Gilbert and TJ Foley are rated twice, and I assume the same happened to Dani Reyes and the other debaters from Valley at Lex. They are in as both WDM Valley and West Des Moines Valley

      • Guest123

        This happened again. Jacob Ronkin and Karan Choudhary and ranked twice. I don’t know if the same thing happened to the Valley kids because neither of them are ranked twice, but they might have been too

        • Debater123

          Also Jack Warhead is rated twice

  • DB8Er

    Lexington isn’t included in the posted LD Rankings despite stating it is in the tournament listings.

    • Debater2

      Yeah.

  • question

    aren’t cps results on tabroom?

  • Anonymous

    When are the rest of the semis bids going to be posted? I see that only grapevine is right now

  • Anonymous

    When’s the next round of rankings coming out?

  • RamPradad2.0

    When will these be updated? I know it takes time, but this only contains like 6 tournaments and college apps are due and people would want to put their ranking on those.

  • joe

    Can we get an actual lder to input these rankings? I’m sure there are a lot of people who would be down. The pf ones always seem to be updated faster and its taking a really long time,especially for kids who want to use this for college apps,expanding past 50 could be really helpful.

  • CLEMENTS HEG

    YOU GUYS FORGOT FELIX ASDJNSOADNBOASD ASD HES NUMBA 1 BOYSSSS

  • kinkaid??

    hows jason yang on the list

    • Stop Hating

      Because he is good

  • bob

    Think you forgot Felix

  • Hunter Martin

    Why Isn’t Mikey Speiser Rank #1?

    • lololol, good one

      because mikey speiser is literally a dung wad

  • questions

    Do these rankings include last years results? And will it be expanded beyond 50 in the future

    • These rankings do include last years results. In most contexts t is common practice for ELO rankings to carry over between seasons. ELO is more accurate as more rounds are included.

  • Curious

    will new ranking be out for this year soon?

    • jnebel

      Yes they will!

      • just wondering

        Any guess for exactly what time?

      • boi

        yeet

        • boi

          wow

        • much 3 u

          boi

        • kk boo

          too too

  • Anon1

    When do the 2015-16 Rankings going to come out, I’m excited to see my boy Jonas Le Barillec on there

  • Question

    Hey, someone already asked this, but do the rankings restart every year? Like if I had losing records last year, will they hold back my ranking this year? Thanks!

  • anonymous

    will the rankings restart for the new season or continue off of last year?

  • tadam omasi (not actually him)

    Sounds like a really bad idea to include locals in the rankings. The judging usually sucks. If we’re trying to compile rankings for real debate-flow debate-It makes no sense to include locals. It would probably be better to just include bid tournaments, from octos to finals.
    Unrelated question: Will a double-octos bid tournament ever exist?

    • Guest

      “Real Debate” and “Flow Debate” are not necessarily synonymous. Local, non-technical debate rounds certainly have merit. “The judging usually sucks” is such a huge generalization, have you even attended a decently run local?

  • Just Wondering

    Are the semis/finals bid tournament results going to be uploaded?

    • Zach Kirsch

      Yep! The rankings will be updated with all semis-bid tournaments in the next few days.

  • Confused

    Do these rankings take the NDCA tournament into account? If they don’t will they soon?

    • Zach Kirsch

      No they don’t, but yes they will soon!

  • smaller bids

    when will sems and finals bids be added?

  • permthedisad

    Emily Hu and Xinlan Hu are the same person. lul.

  • Master_Yoda

    I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO MY BOYS ARJUN TAMBE AND AKHIL JALAN FROM PALOS VERDES PENINSULA WHO HAVE MANAGED TO CLOSE OUT THE VBRIEFLY RANKINGS!!!!!!!! #MasHeg #OP

  • anonymous

    how are ram prasad, annie kors, and srikar pyda on this list?

    • Zach Kirsch

      Sorry, we inputted Stanford 2014’s results by accident. Everything’s fixed and updated now!

  • Graduated Maybe

    Sam Azbel, Dana Councilman, Claire Kueffner, Charlotte Lawrence, Travis Chen, Yael Caplan, Leah Shapiro, Salim Damerdji, Chris Kymn, and Ram Prasad are all ‘ranked’ despite being graduated?

    • Zach Kirsch

      Sorry, we inputted Stanford 2014’s results by accident. Everything’s fixed and updated now!

  • YODA

    congrats on being ranked Sam Azbel!!!

  • MR.Dipplestick

    Whats the third number in the records

    • Certain round robins have two judge panels. The third number indicates a tie (split) two judge panel.

  • Rank Lex

    Since Emory is already calculated in when will Lex be?

  • rankings

    Sujay Singh is ranked twice

    • rank

      Hes a very talented debater

  • why no newark results mang

    are you not not including the results for the newark invitational?

    • Chris Theis

      As explained above the current rankings only include Octos and Quarters bids. It is time consuming to enter tournaments so we have been working from the largest tournaments down. Newark will be included soon 🙂

  • Elo Ranking Questions

    When do you plan in expanding to all TOC bid tournaments?
    And eventually those local tournaments?
    And when the expansion does occur will it only be from expansion –> future or include past tournaments?
    Also will it re-start next year?

    Sorry for all the questions! This is a REALLY cool thing you all are doing! Thanks for the impact on the community!

    • jnebel

      1. As soon as we can, but unfortunately I can’t give you an ETA.
      2. After round robins.
      3. We will include past tournaments, at least from the present season.
      4. We do plan on continuing it next year.

      It is possible that extracting the massive amount of data (e.g., from locals) ends up taking too much time. We have considered a self-reporting system in which debaters just enter all the information from each round into a form, which you (at least sometimes) would have an incentive to do to boost your rating, perhaps with a strict policy against lying (e.g., banning people after some number of warnings) and a system for cutting out duplicates. But not sure about this: it would, for example, mean that people who never report their own wins but get their losses reported by others (e.g., because they don’t know or care about the rankings, which is totally fair) would be severely underrated. What do you think?

      • Elo Ranking Questions

        Thank you, sounds good. Sorry for the late reply I didn’t realize I wouldn’t get a notification.

        Yeah, I was very confused how you will be able to analyze all the local tournaments.I think a properly structured self-reporting system could work, especially if people are motivated to be ranked it could add to be beneficial to them.

  • jnebel

    We are still missing Crestian round 5. So if you won that round and know where to find the results, please let us know!

  • Rankings

    Voices is a quarters bid but isnt listed. Was it included in the calculations?

    • Chris Theis

      Voices=Presentation

  • William Park

    shout out to my boy Dario Madyoon for being ranked

  • Josh Roberts

    The records listed are overall (prelims + elims)? or just prelims? If overall, I assume a W in elims, regardless of if it’s a 2-1 or 3-0 just counts as 1 win, correct?

    • jnebel

      Right, they include both prelims and elims, and winning an elim round counts as 1 W regardless of ballot count. The ballot count enters into the rating formula in basically the same way that the goal difference index is used in the World Football Elo Ratings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Football_Elo_Ratings).

      And of course these records are not people’s actual total records but only reflect the rounds in our current data set.

      • PSmith

        Is it possible to post which tournaments have been included in the rankings listed above? That would be very helpful.

        • jnebel

          All of the ones listed here: http://vbriefly.com/side-bias/. (For Valley, only prelims are included right now, but that will be fixed shortly.)

        • PSmith

          Thanks. Have you considered posting a link to the calculations by round and team as they do for similar ratings for public forum and policy?

        • jnebel

          We can do that next time. Thanks for the feedback!

        • jnebel

          (Still working on this, despite the update.)